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| Damon |
| Posted on: 23 January 2004, 2:42am |
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| Alan |
| Posted on: 24 January 2004, 6:00pm |
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Gibsons were originally written as late information age, but I would rather make them interplanetary age. They were /are (in this trader sim setting) a vircher (VR) hacker cyborg subculture (not actually a clade) that according to the later (post-nanoswarm) history worshipped AIs. But in fact they just thought AI were cool and liked to interact with them in virch.
"Trans Cyberian Vircher Cyborgs" sounds cool  (whoever they are)
Terran just means someone from Earth
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| Damon |
| Posted on: 24 January 2004, 8:05pm |
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Quoted from Alan, posted 24 January 2004, 6:00pm at hereGibsons were originally written as late information age, but I would rather make them interplanetary age. They were /are (in this trader sim setting) a vircher (VR) hacker cyborg subculture (not actually a clade) that according to the later (post-nanoswarm) history worshipped AIs.
But in fact they just thought AI were cool and liked to interact with them in virch.
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So very similar to the Cosmist then?
Quoted from Alan, posted 24 January 2004, 6:00pm at here"Trans Cyberian Vircher Cyborgs" sounds cool (whoever they are) |
Well the source was taken from this sentence from the link:History of AIs Rule by Stealth - 2150 - 2250 c.e. / 180 - 280 a.t.
Quoted Text Only the cosmists, the gibsons and the TransCyberian vircher cyborgs maintained close links with these great AIs, and in their office as programmers and meta-programmers often served in subtle ways as intermediaries between the AIs and humanity. |
Quoted from Alan, posted 24 January 2004, 6:00pm at hereTerran just means someone from Earth |
That's what I thought, but it seems it is also the name the Cosmists gave an anti AI group.
Taken from Cosmism and Cosmists
Quoted Text A Cosmist was a person who wanted to see (singularity-grade AIs - or "artilects" as they called, the term "hyperturing" only came into usage much alter) built. The Cosmists were opposed to a group they called the "Terrans" |
I wonder if there is more info on anti AI groups in the interplanetary age or is there a void in this area?
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| Steve Bowers |
| Posted on: 30 January 2004, 7:45am |
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How's this (making it up as I go along)
The 'Earth First' movement was originally called 'Free Terra' when it was formed by red and green activists during the second century a.t; they had the express aim of limiting the development of humanity to the planet Earth, and ensuring that future wealth creation occurred to benefit all humanity, as long as that humanity remained on the planet.
The spiritual and intellectal leader of the Terrans, Doctor William Jaeger, regarded artificially intelligent entities as immensely complicated 'chinese room' programs, which have been loaded with all human culture and simply regurgitate that culture without consiousness or internal self awareness.
The Free Terrans were also deeply opposed to cybernetic enhancements of human mentality, and pointed to studies indicating that the gibson neural interface superimposed certain patterns normal growth of the human brain, and if used widely would lead to a loss of neural diversity and freedom.
Finally the economic arguments for a self-contained Earth were strong.
The flow of wealth between Earth and solar system was bidirectional, the balance still showed a net outflow of wealth from Earth in the second century, and the cost of developing the solar system was still high; far better (argued Jaeger) to retain this wealth on Earth to benefit the large population.
Some factions of the Free Terra movement progressed to direct and violent action (the so called Terrarists); to distance his movement from the radicals Jaeger renamed his group 'Earth First ' in 2117. |
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| Damon |
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| Steve Bowers |
| Posted on: 19 August 2004, 3:44am |
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| Damon |
| Posted on: 19 August 2004, 4:11am |
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| Electroshokker |
| Posted on: 26 February 2005, 3:41pm |
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A question: while the timeline will be around 300 at, what will be the end-date of the (main) story? Certain events in the Orion's Arm timeline following 300 at might happen during the course of the game (the player might learn of them through news-messages or by being present at the event). => this would add realism, especially if these continue to happen even after the main storyline is finished...
Also, about the Trans Cyberian Vircher Cyborgs:
Quoted Text Virch: [noun] virtual reality, any digital space or environment; [verb] to interact with or exist or function in virtual reality. Hence vircher.
virtualism
the belief, common among many long-term virchers and long-term copies, that only virch is real, and ril is an illusion.
copy
An uploaded digital copy of a rl person (whether biont or vec) that experiences emself in all ways as identical to the original alpha.
r/l, RL, Real Life
non-virtual existence (pron. rill)
This term was originally coined back before the earth nanodisaster apparently to represent the then-valid dichotomy between 'imaginary' experiences drawn from electronic entertainment media and those experienced in the flesh, without electronic interpretation. This term has since morphed into the more common definition of a personal experience (as compared to another's personal experience) which we're used to in the current day. Contrast with VR.
(Anglic, from from Old Earth English "real life") |
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| Electroshokker |
| Posted on: 27 February 2005, 9:50am |
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after a little search on OA interplanetary age: megacorporations:
Mars Development Corporation (MDC)
168 - discovery that, as theorised, Mars possessed a crustal environment suitable for BGC, but empty of life, the Mars Development Corporation (MDC) began experiments towards the creation of a Martian BioGeoComputing (BGC) system. ecosystem of chemosynthetic bacteria
Coral Sea Investments Corporation
171 - Coral Sea Investments Corporation official announcement of the Merpeople project.
Lee Interorbital
One of the new breed of "tweak" superbabies, Marcus Alfonse Lee fulfilled the hopes and dreams of his successful software engineer single mother Victoria, and more. Chairman of the board at 12, he was quick to see the potential for venture capitalism in the buckyboard-driven space rush of the late 21st century. By 2130 the family business Lee Interorbital had a fleet of LEO shuttles, by 2150 they had established their own orbital habitat, - a combination of theme park, business hotel, and tax and data haven, officially called Elysium but more affectionately (and sometimes not so affectionately) known as Marcus World. This was to be the first of a number of "company biospheres" that were later to dot the asteroid belt and the surface of the half-terraformed Mars. Even after four successful rejuvenation treatments, Lee ruled the corporation with an iron hand, investing heavily in cutting edge biotech, asteroid mining, and even the new interstellar colonisation program, a stormy sea that had already sunk many lesser investors. By the start of the 24th century he seemed to be becoming increasingly rigid and inflexible in his decisions, a common problem among many of the early over-rejuved tweaks. A series of catastrophic business decisions saw stock plummeting and the company brought to its knees. A corporate takeover by the aggressive AI in charge of Hyperion Interplanetary saved the company but ousted Lee. Bitter and disillusioned, he defected to the Gengineer Republic, and his final fate has never been determined (most of the Genetekker records were lost in the wake of the nanoswarms).
Solar Systems Development Corporation (SSDC)
198 - Jean Beloit Sampson a third generation orbital tweak baby and one of the original Homo sapiens superior "vunderkinder", organises epic corporate coup and gains leadership of major orbital megacorp Solar Systems Development Corporation (SSDC)
Deep Space Development Corporation
210 - Deep Space Development Corporation uses nuclear charges to nudge an asteroid into a very eccentric orbit that would take it back and forth from near the Earth and out to Mars. Over the next half decade the asteroid is hollowed out, converted it into a habitat and named it Odyssey Transfer Station (we could use this as a connection between the Cis-lunar- and Mars-hubs)
Outsystems Launches
210s - the Vesta-based corporation, Outsystems Launches, is engaged in building interstellar exploration and colonisation ships, using pulsed fusion drive, seeded RAIR ships, and eventually amat catalysed fusion, becoming one of the Solar System's largest antimatter customers.
GeneTEK and Biotopia Interplanetary (a subsidary of Biotopia Genome Industries)
280s-290s - heteromorphic humans make up a fair proportion of the human population in space, although these are mostly milder heteromorphs. Corporations like GeneTEK and Biotopia Interplanetary (a subsidary of Biotopia Genome Industries) were keen to support this trend, as heteromorphs show that they are talented at creating novel genomes and genemod hacks.
332 - CircumSol established - large amat (anti-matter) farms orbit the sun just outside the orbit of Mercury. Notable consortia are Look Outwards Combine, Jerusalem Macrotech and General Dynamics Corporation. |
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| Steve Bowers |
| Posted on: 28 February 2005, 8:33am |
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I do tend to think that the Freehauler age is a bit early for uploading and copying to be available to the general public;there will be virchers in this period, bit they will still have human bodies and brains- but they will perhaps live online most or all of the time, either in a fantasy virch or via a robot remote. They might be semipermanently hooked up to the Net via DNI, or, in the most extreme cases, in life support pods completely divorced from reality.
If you meet a particularly human seeming robot, e might be a remote for a virch addict somewhere.
(Alternately e might be a remote for an AI somewhere; a strange twist on the Turing test- uou can't always tell) |
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| Electroshokker |
| Posted on: 28 February 2005, 9:06am |
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I do tend to think that the Freehauler age is a bit early for uploading and copying to be available to the general public; |
I only gave the copy definition because they are mentioned in the virtualism definition.
The name: Trans Cyberian Vircher Cyborgs kinda says it all. => a group of cyborgs who believe only the VR is real, oppose the ril and generally either cause mayhem or simply want to be left alone (by the rils, that is).
(Alternately e might be a remote for an AI somewhere; a strange twist on the Turing test- uou can't always tell)
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 interesting... hmm, thanks! You just gave me a few new ideas, I'll be adding them to the main story thread. |
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| Serfuzz |
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